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- Dr. Leighton Flowers breaks down the context for the Gospel of John and explains why John 6:44 does not support the Calvinistic interpretation.
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I left my Calvin believing Church because you opened my eyes! Thank you for being used by the Father💞
I wish my dear friends and family members would ‘dare’ to check out Leighton’s podcast. There’s a lot of indoctrination and fear in these circles - not to mention pride and stubbornness.
@@RenardGarland pride, stubbornness, arrogance is plentiful in all men, and among the saved. We must examine ourselves before we...
I wasn't originally a Calvinist, but the more one studies the more one comes to understand the truth. Keep studying. Stop listening to Arminians until you understand the fallacies of their arguments. They oppose Jesus' teachings.
All you who speak highly of Leighton Flowers should study God's word more. Read it all and eventually you will run into this one:
Luke 6:26
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
And stop hating those you call Calvinists. Even if you consider them enemies, you are still called to love them. Luke 6:27
@@jeremiah5319I at one time had my foot in Calvinism, and the the more I studied the more I understood it wasn't true; by the way, I'm not an Arminian. That is just a tweaked version of Calvinism. Your failure to understand this might be part of your problem.
When I first came to Christ as savior I wrote John 6:44-45 on my guitar. It really hit me as a non believer it took me about a year of reading the Bible to become a believer. I was not sure if I could trust anyone or any religious writings?
But words I was reading about God the Father and Jesus started to weigh on my conscience and progressively removed doubt as I read more and more. When I got to John 6:44-45 it hit me like a ton of bricks! "Those who listen and LEARN from the Father come to me" Jesus was saying simply that God the Father is revealing Himself in the Son! I then felt the need to pray in Jesus name and give myself to Him. That was 17 years ago and I have never once considered the Calvinist view of this passage. It can NOT be true even by my own testimony! God reveals Himself in the Son and we must make our own decision about Him and place our own faith in Him. The faith God gives us is what is generated in us by His glorious Character.
May God Bless 😁
So what you’re saying is you didn’t believe until God caused it?
Wow, Dr. Flowers . . . I know the Gospel of John very well, but you just explained some things to me so CLEARLY!!!
I can't believe I missed those things . . . I need to take my own advice, what I tell my grandkids, "There is ALWAYS more to learn from the scriptures!!! Usually & especially scripture that you feel that you know so well - guess you become so familiar with it that you tend to gloss over what you are reading!!!
Incredible learning session for me on this one - THANK YOU!!!
Rom 7:15-24:
¹⁵ For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
¹⁶ If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
¹⁷ Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
¹⁸ For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
¹⁹ For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
²⁰ Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
²¹ I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
²² For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
²³ But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
²⁴ O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Hebrews 3:7,15 Hebrews 4:7 and Psalm 95:7 all say "Today, if you will hear His voice..."
This is His drawing, which can be resisted because it is followed by "harden not your heart"
@@RenardGarlandLOL. You say you're not a calvinist! LOL!
@@RenardGarland I think you forget the context of Mathew 16, this is after the feeding of the 4000 this establishes (atleast in the eyes of those who listened and learned from the father) that Jesus was the Prophet like Moses. This is Peter's profession of faith declared after Jesus' constantly revealing who he was through multiple miracles (That only God can do) that already happened. I dont think this means the Father just revealed the knowledge at that time base on the whole context of Mathew. Mathew actually strengthens Dr Flower's view if put into correct context that the pharisees did not listen to Jesus unlike the Apostles who listened and learned.
Mathew 16:8-9
Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered?
Mathew 16:13 -16
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
@@RenardGarland why do you copy and paste responses?
Also Hebrews 11:6 & James 4:8!
@@LindsayJackel Maybe he's one of "Brown's Clowns" like Anathema (who calls himself "Altheia") and Manichean Jokes (who calls himself "Manasseh Jones"). Jim Brown's cult, which calls itself "Grace and Truth Ministries" despite having neither grace nor truth, is a hyper-Calvinist cult whose members reject the "Calvinist" label while dialing all of Calvinism's false teachings up to 11. Brown also encourages his minions to spread his lies on social media, which "kgar5String" seems to live on, throwing Calvinist nonsense all over the place while piously lying and saying he's not a Calvinist...
I listened to this again & took down several pages of notes and scriptures. Thankful for this ministry!
Please know that many Calvinists believe it not out of stubborness, but sincerely understanding it that way. I know coz I used to think that way, and for a long time too! And i was honestly and sincerely turning the arguments for both sides on my mind. Just asking for a little grace for others like me 😊
I also remember Pastor John Piper saying that he has friends on both sides of the argument. And he believes that although one of those sides can be wrong, both can still go to heaven.
This is not to say that we should stop seeking the truth. This is just an appeal for some grace. ❤
I don't know how much you've listened to Dr. Flowers. Perhaps you're new to his videos. I will say as I've listened, I haven't heard much that hasn't been gracious. He may make a sarcastic comment here and there, but I've heard him debate ungracious Calvinists, while being respectful. Hewas a Calvinist himself, for 10 years. But i think if you watch him a lot, you'll see the grace stand out, especially when he's disagreeing with others.
@@theologygeekgal thanks for clarifying. I actually commented because of some comments, not the video itself 😊
So solid here, Bro Leighton. I'm so glad we can look into the eyes of all we preach to or share with and get personal and say, "God loves you. Jesus died for you. Jesus paid It all, and calls you now to 'Come to Me'. Come to Christ and He will save you now."
Very clear and simple, the gospel. ☝️😎
Thanks!
John 6:44 KJV "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
- In general this is my interpretation of that text., Lets begin with the simple text, In John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.".. It clearly says Jesus came to do the Father's will, and that is to look and believe in His Son (John 6:40)..But believe is started in hearing The word of God(Rom. 10:17).. And the Word that spoke by Jesus is from the Father himself.. We can assure this from the Father through Father's voice in heaven says, Luke 9:35 - "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.. This also supported i the text in Heb. 1:1-2
The statement of John in 6:44 can be understood as the one who first draws a man is the Father because the words spoke by Jesus is from the Father, in this the drawing from the Father begins by His Word through Jesus words. And when someone listen and believe what Jesus taught, that Word is the tools or medium using by the Father which make that person come to the Son Jesus, and believe that He is really indeed the true Messiah, then Jesus promised that this people drawn by the Father (through Jesus teaching) will come and believe in His Son Jesus.. That's why The Father is the first who doi the drawing men and thats through Jesus teaching (because Jesus teaching came from the Father) , and those who will listen and believe will come to Jesus and continue growing in believing in Him with the promise of eternal life(raising up on the last day) .
WOW, this is brilliant!! I thought I had a firm handle on this verse but Bro. Leighton really broke it down. Great video!
Thank you for explaining this important passage of scripture. I've read it many times without the full contextual picture that you provided, so you've helped me to understand it better. He answers our prayers for wisdom!
I guess I never realized I was a Calvinist until I learned what I believe about John 6:44 but,I’m here to hear the other side and be open and to test my beliefs
Oh the debate covering this subject will never stop. But certainly, I will never agree with calvinism no matter how hard a calvinist tries to. I guess the line is drawn here. I support Leighton Flowers's articulation of what I have always believed that there is a condition for salvation. A condition of "whosoever believes..." and so on and so forth. God bless those who sincerely love the Lord Jesus Christ, including Calvinist brethren.
@@RenardGarlandbrother or sister, your hermeneutics in my opinion is unsound. I'm sure you believe it for certain that your interpretation is right. Not to me but that's ok, I have my own verses and interpretations which would counter yours. However, let's leave it that at that. Let's just agree to disagree. God bless you.
You have hardened your heart against Calvinism.
@@John3.36 What a relief to know that I've hardened my heart against Calvinism. As long as I've not hardened my heart against God, then all is very well and good!
@@John3.36 Which means God hardened their heart against Calvinism according to Calvin's definition of God's sovereignty. So God decided they shouldn't be Calvinists
@@colleengleason6533 Calvinism is not true, so God did not decide anything for them.
Everyone who hears the gospel (and many who haven't yet) is being drawn by the Father, just like anyone who hears a very wealthy man offer a million bucks to everyone who hears the offer is being "drawn" to receive the money. For the life of me, I cannot understand why simply receiving a free gift can be construed as a "work of man."
Amazing breakdown, and makes perfect sense!!! Thank you! Thank you Lord!
I was discipled by Calvanists who really hurt my faith-It was like spirtual rape, they hurt my relationship with God tremendously, made me fear him, and it took me years to get out of it. ❤
The Bible teaches the fear of the Lord.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 AND? SATANIC CALVANIST
Me too! Horrible effects of bad theology. So grateful for Leighton! Grace to you. Really.❤
@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 yes but His perfect love casts out fear (1 John 4:18) So knowing God and learning wisdom begins with fear, but must transfer to intimate worship in which the believer feels secure in order to proceed with a life of confident faith.
Calvinism is demonic
Finally Dr. Leighton, you got it.
A common mistake in misquoting John 6:44 is elimination of the modal verb "can" which causes a flawed takeaway of "No man comes to me except the Father draw him." This error cause a positive evaluation of the exception clause to be inevitability as opposed to ability as communicated by Scripture - the drawn one CAN come.
Listen carefully to Mr. Henry's summation of the verse early in the video, around the 27 second mark "No one come(s) to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him..."
An even more common error is ignoring the context of 9-11.
@@williammarinelli2363 Exactly. Calvinistic individuals always tend to read John 6:44 as if the word "can" isn't there, not understanding that the removal/dismissal of the word "can" changes the entire meaning of the sentence.
"Bob can come to my house on the weekends"
AND
"Bob comes to my house on the weekends"
Are two different sentences with completely different meanings.
@@losnfjslefn8857 rubbish. Calvinists see the word "can" in John 6:44. It's the Armenians who ignore the word. No man CAN come to Christ unless the Father draws them. Pretty simple, really.
@@jamesers99 "It's the Arminians who ignore the word." I'm not here for a Calvinist v Arminians debate. I'm not Arminian, I'm assuming you're not either, so let's just leave Arminians out of this.
All I'm saying is, *in my personal experience* , when I've spoken to Calvinists about this verse, they read and understand it AS IF it says "No man *comes* ...", because when I point out that John 12:32 says Christ draws ALL when He is lifted up, they immediately push back on it.
"If ALL were drawn, then ALL would come! And we know not ALL come, so ALL can't literally mean ALL are drawn!"
🔼 They'll say something like that. Do you see the problem?
Why does God draw people he knows would reject him?
Based on analogies people make me, would you invite someone who you know won't come to your party?
Imagine not being able to tell someone, anyone, that Jesus loves them because you risk telling them a lie? You can't tell your neighbor, your friend, your aunt, your uncle, your teacher, your barber, your mom, your dad, or even yourself that Jesus unequivocally, without exception, loves them. Because, in Calvinism, you just never know for sure until you see those pearly gates up ahead whether you were truly elect to persevere to the end or be reprobate? Only Jesus knows for certain who Jesus loves forever. That's what the Bible teaches? Not at all.
It’s not absurd! It’s a brilliant statement!!
@@johnallen5999 I agree, Calvinism is totally absurd.
If you listen carefully to Calvinists they say "God loves sinners" so they can avoid saying God loves everyone.
Yes, calvinists say many things that make no sense.
@@johnallen5999absurd for a twisted Calvinist because of your arrogance thinking you people got it all figured out exclusively.Duh
Thanks, Leighton!
In Christ:)
At about the 6:45 mark, he says Calvinists can’t say that “Jesus died for everyone.” Is that an accurate interpretation of irresistible grace? Wouldn’t the Calvinist say “Jesus’ sacrifice is sufficient for all but effective for the elect”?
Christ's blood was sufficient for all but only efficacious for many.
Isaiah 53:11-12 "By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities...And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.”
What did Jesus Christ say about His work at Calvary; was it for ALL or just many?
Matthew 20:28 "...the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for MANY.”
Mark 14:24 “And he said unto them, This is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many.”
John 17:2-3 “As You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as MANY as You have given Him.”
Acts 2:39 “For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 13:48 “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”
Romans 8:29 “For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among MANY brethren.”
Romans 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience MANY were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience MANY will be made righteous."
Hebrews 2:10 “For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.”
Hebrews 9:28 “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
Bore their iniquities-bore their sins-ransomed-shed His blood-gave eternal life-called-ordained-predestined-made righteous all or just many. Sorry Arminians many NOT all.
From personal experience - I knew about Christianity for years before I really believed. My faith started after a mysterious change in my heart that i have a hard time explaining.
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
A woman named Lydia was listening; she was a seller of purple fabrics from the city of Thyatira, and a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.
Acts 16:44
Thank you. That was extremely enlightening. I need to listen to it again!
I have heard Calvinists say that the word draw in John 6:44 means to drag in Greek as opposed to draw your attention. I am not a Calvinists, but I am curious if this is true or not.
Rom 7:15-24:
¹⁵ For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
¹⁶ If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
¹⁷ Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
¹⁸ For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
¹⁹ For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
²⁰ Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
²¹ I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
²² For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
²³ But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
²⁴ O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
It can mean dragging, and is used that way in other verses, but if you do a word study, “draw” (G1670, the word “helko”) in John 6:44 refers to leading, not dragging. And it’s further defined as God’s moral and spiritual influence working in the heart of a person. It’s not a forced thing. It’s God leading a person on a journey to recognize his true Gospel so that they can then respond to it in faith or rejection. And it’s THAT choice that we are held accountable for.
The word "draw" in Greek means to move something or someone that is incapable or unwilling to do so. This is the same word used in Acts 21 when the Jews had Paul tied up and dragged him out of the temple (verse 30).
The immediate implication of John 6: 44 is that people are bound in their sin and are in need of Jesus coming along to drag them into His kingdom.
This is why Jesus came to this earth, because none of us are capable of reaching God's kingdom on our own, not by the exertion of our own will or otherwise. Jesus lived the life we could not and died the death we deserved. He was raised to life for our justification so that everyone who believes shall not perish but have everlasting life.
This is so excellent! I wished I had this years ago during WCG membership-it would’ve enlightened me a lot sooner!
Do you have any commentary recommendations that are similar to God's Word for you series or Christ Centered Exposition Commentary series that's not from a reformed influence?
Adam's sin was not limited but effected the whole of the human race, therefore, how is Jesus' atonement limited? The scripture says "where sin abounds grace abounds all the more."
Some topics to some people, due to their (inner condition Only God knows), few or many words...are simply words! Prayer, Love, Mercy!
How ironic that so many people deny the sovereign election of God, which is found all over the Bible, while strenuously holding to the notion of "free will", which is found nowhere in the Bible.
So good! Thank you Leighton!
Those who have (belief) more will be given, those who do not even what they have will be taken away (aka will be hardened)
In sum, "all who learn from the Father come to me" of John 6:44 means that only those Jews who understand and the true message of the Law and Prophets (the OT teachings) will come to Jesus because He is what the Law and Prophets are about. This must be said to contrast with the Pharisees, who claim to follow the Law of Moses, but have not even understood or refuse to learn the lessons from the Law and Prophets (like love God with all your hear and love your neighbor). Jesus rebukes them in John 5 that they study the Scriptures but do not believe the Scriptures, because the Scriptures speak about Christ. Moses wrote about Christ (as you can see in passages like Deuteronomy 18 about the Prophet like Moses who will come).
Cursed to those who spread different gospel or no gospel.
There is No gospel / good news to majority of mankind according to Calvinism.
How so? I’m admittedly new to all of this.
@@MrJeffreyDRAnything Calvinism, run for the hills
@@MrJeffreyDRread the Bible for yourself, ask God to speak to you through what you read... It's that simple
@@SheepDog1974unfortunately Calvinists cannot understand the Bible without the bias of that late murderer John Calvin.
@@SheepDog1974 Does that go for Once saved always saved, or Inevitable Perseverance of the Saints? P in TULIP?
Quite straight forward
I was drawn without hearing any sound doctrine that came
Later..
Elect vessels are saved in Gods way and his time!
This is getting so frustrating!
Jesus was speaking to people who THOUGHT they were the people of God but they did not know HIm because their forefathers walked away from Him and TAUGHT them of a false god in the name of the God of Abraham Izach and Jacob. Had they been TAUGHT of the one true God they would have been drawn to the Son...only those who HEAR and LEARN from the Father via people who know the one true God will be drawn to the Son because HE is the ONLY one who will. Teachings of false gods will not draw a man to the Son, they will guide you away from Him.
John 5:37
“And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.”
God used these very people to serve His purpose by leaving THEM in their folly for that time knowing they would cry CRUCIFY because Jesus didn't have the voice of their god (blasphemy). After the resurrection everything CHANGED, the veil was lifted and now all can come to Him via the record that God gave of His Son.
God provided everything everyone needs to KNOW HIM...we are in the time of "but now" because all has been REVEALED.
Be careful what teachers you FREELY give your ears to because we can become ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth...if we have any doubt we must give our ears to other teachers.
I'm guilty of only giving my ears to the Roman Catholic church system for 46 years even with many many doubts and I will not blame anyone but myself. God sent His people to me and I turned them away. STOP blaming God for the people who don't know Him after He made Himself known is such a profound way, so that we may know HIm.
The simplicity is clearly too simple for Calvinists...
The Gospel is so simple even a child can understand it....
Calvinism... not so much🤔
@@RenardGarland Unfortunately, you are conflating some scripture. Matt 11:25 says "25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." Sometimes the intellect and pride of man obscures the message of the Gospel. Jesus said we should be like children in that regard.
The 'few that find it" is from Matt 7 and references a different topic other than the simplicity of the Gospel.
@@RenardGarland Innocent?? LOL.. I am among the 'all' who have fallen and come short... I need a savior and am all too aware of it. As a believer, I have a savior and an advocate before the father who is Christ Jesus our Lord.
The question for Calvinists is this; If the "elect" are chosen or created (take you pick) for salvation before the foundation of the world, obviously, they are NEVER in danger of damnation. And nothing they can do will ever interfere or jeopardize their eternal destiny. So, they are not in need of an advocate. ... And similarly, the reprobate is certainly denied an advocate...
The question follows... For whom is Jesus advocating ?
Calvinists are smarter than the scriptures.
He rebukes their unbelief because it is a condition of their heart.
Born, unable to believe?
No, in order to believe God one must hear Him and you can't hear Him because you are preoccupied with your own path through life, not that you're unable to believe.
Would like to hear you speak of your understanding of Imputation from Holy Scripture.
When the high priest entered the holy of hollies during Yom Kippur, did his sacrifice of the Lamb cover the sins of Israel only or was it for all od mankind?
Great explanation. We are responsible
Became Catholic thanks to this channel. Now I go to Society St Pius X, to the Traditional Latin Mass.
How did that happen? Leighton teaches Biblical Christianity, not Roman Catholicism. I grew up Catholic and now I am free in Jesus! I don’t pray to Mary anymore, she can’t hear anyone on Earth!
Keep reading, with verses like this you will not stay a Catholic for long:
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" -- 1 Timothy 2:5
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." -- Ephesians 2:8-9
Relationship with Christ not denominationalism ❤
@@BrandonReid-j6u Then one has to take care not to have another mediatrix, another advocate, another LIFE, another HOPE OTHER than Jesus!!!! See my reply to marce.goodnews
Maybe have a rethink?
The rosary contains this line:
*Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope*
Jesus alone is King - there is no "queen" in heaven.
God is our life - Deut 30:20 Jesus is our life Colossians 3:4
Psalm 62 - God is our hope.
Mary is deified in this line - anyone praying it is committing idolatry
Hey @Soteriology101 what if there is ANOTHER possible interpretation for this? What if John 6:44 applies specifically to Jews AT THE TIME who were to be Jesus DISCIPLES? What if John 6:39 and John 6:40 are referring to a DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE?
This would ALSO negate the Calvinistic interpretation and has merit.
Or one can then apply Exodus 33:19 and Ezekiel 37 whilst one wonders about Ephesians 2. Or even see the repeat in Romans 9? Is it up to man or up to God? Leighton and most of the commenters on this page reckons it's up to man to decide.
I wonder what would have happened if Abram said - "Sorry, God, I'm not going anywhere - find someone else" Or is Israel a very peculiar pick made by God alone - out of all the nations on earth?
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
This he said, signifying what death he should die.
John 12 : 33
You were not able to debate on Jn. 6.44 with James White.
Excellent illustration
Thank you, Leighton. That was another great focused teaching. If everyone understood that the earthly Christ came to Israel who were God's elect and the whole world after His finished work, Calvin's influence would greatly diminish.
It's fascinating, too that Israel was elect yet most perished during the first century tribulation. They had heard. They had a choice.
Good insight
Personally, I am drawn to God as my father through revelation, as something to be desired.
I’d give this two likes if I could!
I had forgotten to like it, then I read your post. So in a way you did give it two.
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." -John 14:6
...and no one comes to Jesus except if the Father DRAGS him/her to Jesus!!!!
read the bible as a whole and see how Exodus 33:19 applies, or Ezekiel 37 or Deuteronomy 7:6-7 or Romans 9 or Ephesians 2 or even 1 Corinthians 2:18-29...and there are so many, many more books, chapters and verses which makes it absolutely clear - GOD CHOOSES.
It amazes me how blind he is. He literally quoted John 12:39 that says God hardened their heart and blinded their eyes... and then followed up by saying so, it's something they did, not something God did.
He reads the same verses we do, he just isn't able to let the verses speak. It's like no matter what the verse says, all he hears is his own thoughts.
John 6:37
ALL (the elect chosen IN CHRIST from eternity past, Ephesians 1:4) that the Father gives Me (as a love gift from the Father to the Son) WILL (Thy people shall be willing in the day of Thy power, Psalm 110:3) come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out (the good Shepherd who loses none of His sheep, John 10:28).
John 6:39
This is the will of Him (Father) who sent Me (Son), that of ALL that He has GIVEN Me I lose nothing (Good Shepherd), but raise it up on the last day (salvation in Christ).
John 6:44
No one can (has the ability to) come to Jesus /have faith (total depravity, total inability) unless the Father draws /drags (compels with irresistible authority) him and Jesus will raise him (same him) up at the last day (salvation in Christ, perseverance of the Saints).
The drawing is effective. The same him drawn is the same him raised. 100 percent of those God draws/drags are raised.
John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall ALL be TAUGHT of God.’ EVERYONE who has HEARD (from the Father) and LEARNED from the Father, COMES to Me.
This is the explanation of how the drawing works. Notice that ALL of those people COME to Jesus. ALL DRAWN (being TAUGHT by God - active, hearing and learning - passive) COME to Jesus. Everyone taught, everyone hearing, everyone learning comes to Christ. This communication of knowledge is effective. There is no one of whom the Father has revealed this knowledge who does not come to Christ.
John 6:65
“Therefore I (Jesus) have said to you that NO ONE can (has the ability to) come to Me unless it has been GRANTED (given, a divine act) to him by My Father.” This is accomplished through the drawing (v44) of God by His being taught, hearing, and learning from God. Being granted/given and being drawn by the Father are the same thing. This is a divine act of God. It's not an attempt by God or a provision of God. This act of God is personal, by name, for His people.
God uses His word to regenerate His elect people with an effectual call.
Arminians cannot understand this as it doesn't make sense and EVERYONE knows that God ALWAYS makes perfect sense. Like in the following scriptures:
2 Cor 5:21 "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
If you want to be rich sell everything you have and give it to the poor. “Then Jesus, said to him, “Go sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven…" Matt 19:21
Lose so you can gain! “For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.” Philippians 3:8
If you want to be exalted, humble yourself. “Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.” James. 4:10
If you want to be first, be last. “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” Matthew 20:16
If you want to be strong, be weak. “For when I am weak, then I am strong.” 2 Corinthians 12:10
If you want to be free, become a slave. “But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.” Romans 6:22
If you want to live, you must die. “For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.” Matthew 16:25
It's funny how all you have to do to completely demolish his position is quote a few verses from John.
Proverbs 1...God called, man refused
Shucks, the whole Old Testament is filled with God calling and man refusing
Jesus weeping over Jerusalem... would have gathered you as a hen...BUT YE WOULD NOT
I can keep going but would it matter to you?
Yes God draws, but nowhere does it say He is so unkind He doesn't allow us to choose
@@AVB2-LST1154No, there are those of us who reject Calvinism.... which doesn't make me an Arminian.... because it tarnishes the character of God
God makes men unable to accept the gospel, creates sin, then condemns people for doing what He created and made them unable to do otherwise
James said there's no darkness in God.... Proverbs 1 said God called and men refused...and the list goes on and on
God is in control AND He is just and loving
Not as RC Sproul says the creator of sin
@@mike300rumSo Jesus was lying when He called Judas???
very godly explanation
At its core, Calvanism is mean and elitist. Not The True Gospel of Christ.
Really well explained, John 6:45 is referring to the gospel of Christ that Paul said was the power of God unto salvation unto every one that believes, Romans 10:8 it is the word of faith which we preach, in verse 17 he says faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God which is the gospel. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 4:15 for in Chris Jesus, I have begotten you through the gospel.
@@RenardGarland The scripture is clear about how faith comes to us in Romans 10:17 so then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Faith comes by hearing the word of God preached, how much clearer could he be. Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes, to the Jew first and also to the Gentile. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, the just shall live by faith. The word faith means to believe, trust, rely, on what he says in his word. Ephesians 1:13 In whom you also trusted, AFTER that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise. Faith is in the word of God that is preached, he is telling us by the hearing of the word of faith that is preached in Romans 10:8. Faith is not a work. Romans 4:5-6 But to him that worketh not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also described the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputes righteousness without WORKS. Faith is not works, according to the word of God. Romans 11:6 confirms that as well as Ephesians 2:8-9.
@@EugeneHolley-rc6ry You must of course couple all your quotations to Ephesians 2 as well otherwise it's incomplete. Heck, you might as well throw in Ezekiel 37, Romans 9, Matthews 11:25-27 whilst you're at it - just for completeness sake.
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Faith comes by hearing the word of God preached ... Yes,not what the church say,but what the Spirit say. John 6 : 45
James 1: 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
Ask of God THE WORD -----> Be quick to HEAR -----> RECEIVE with meekness implanted word that is able to save your life. /believe
Romans 10:17 so then faith comes
How about john 6 37and6 :65
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John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
QUESTION: If Jesus is only drawing those who add previously listened and learned from the father, what category do all of the prostitutes and tax collectors Etc who heard the message of Jesus and were drawn to him fit into? It seems like Jesus drew a lot of people who had previously never been faithful or listened to God but who somehow recognized him and turned to God through him. If you could please address this it would be very helpful. Thank you
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Dude, that was awesome!
Great video!!!
Psalm 145:18 YHVH is near to all who call on Him-to all who call on Him in Truth. John 17:17 Sanctify them in the Truth, as Your Word is Truth.
Later in John it says God draws All People - John 12:32.
@@RenardGarland 100% agree. I’m not a Calvinist and I’m not sure why you thought that. Relax.
@@RenardGarlandhatred? You should probably take a moment to ponder the validity of that thought.
@@RenardGarland I really feel convicted to help those that believe in Lordship Salvation. Not all Calvinists hold to that view for example John MacArthur wrote the gospel according to Jesus which supports LS and in response to that Charles Ryrie wrote So Great Salvation that supported more of a Free Grace view and he is also a Calvinist ( Not a 5 pointer but he is a Calvinist).
“I” Will draw…
Phil 1:6:
⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Jesus says - I stand at the door and knock.
So it is up to you to open the door. You have a choice.
If you do and invite Him in then you can do as was instituted in the Old Testament times - you can give Him a free will offering of praise and thanks.
So do you say that there are people God won't draw?
you do not have to be drawn; you can come on your own
No, this is false. Layton addresses this early on in the video. You are expressing a Pelagian view. That is not Provisionism
@@chaddonal4331 What exactly is that "Provisionism"??? Where is that found in the bible?
@@kevinrtres Keep listening… The emphasis is that Jesus provided salvation for all who will believe.
Phil 1:6:
⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
2Ths 1:11:
¹¹ Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
Yes....
.GODS WORD SAYS UNLESS ......MAN CANNOT BE SAVED UNLESS THE SPIRIT DRAWETH HIM......THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.......
Yup! just as Exekiel 37 tells us in no uncertain terms. Or Exodus 33:19
19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’
And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.
Thats right......
Amen
What are the means of drawing? I take a simple view. God uses tools such as financial difficulties, divorce, heartache, death of a loved one, pain and suffering, any the all the hardships of life to bring men to an end of themselves.
If one never experiences any hardship in life they never realize their need of a Saviour.
The SPIRIT OF GOD DRAWS EVERYBODY AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER........GOD IS NO RESPECTO OF PERSONS
I can't seem to find any passages about the Spirit drawing
Nothing was ever created without the word so the word became flesh to leave a testimony and the holy spirit. So that man can be created in God's image revelations 12-17 Israel worship baal and are lovers of this world and if you are a tare instead of wheat . But you still remember God's name then you are cent to Jesus for he has the power to restore your soul
Renember the connect the dot pictures given to children as a fun activity?
The picture cant be revealed if a dot is missed.
Augustine grappled with the co-existence of "evil," with a holy God. A holy God would not create or allow evil, and Augustine conceived evil as all human suffering.
So to maintain his belief that God is holy, Augustine made up a benevolent God purpose for evil.
He was incorrect in his concept of evil, constructing an incorrect explanation or remedy.
Calvinists read the history of the beliefs you hold.
When a premise (what is evil) is wrong, everything built on that premise will be wrong.
Premise: Pigs can fly.
Now we can discuss all the things flying pigs can and can not do.
Augustines premise was incorrect.
Calvinists connect the dots.
The reason that they are not believing in Jesus is because God is not gifting to them -at that particular time-HIS FAITH to believe in Him whom HE has sent. Without God’s faith, no man can believe on Christ Jesus. No man = you, me …Jew, Gentile …
For those he FOREKNEW he called.
Romans 8:29,30.
How would you handle what we find in Deuteronomy 5:10 do you not think that from your point of view that that is unfair that the children would be cursed because of their forefathers? And thus people being blessed for a thousand generations for those who fear him. There are righteous degrees God is made God swore in his wrath that Israel would be hardened let's hear how we can explain that away let's explain away the wrath of God and the hardening that happens when people reject his word.
Calvinists don't read the next verse.
@@RenardGarland
How do you know?
Thank you for pointing out that CHrist Jesus is drawing all men to Him now that He is resurrected, in John 12. Sometimes I forget that when He was alive on earth, it was to the Jew first. I am not Calvinist! Am a Bible believing Gentile. Still some of this is confusing. The Holy Spirit enlightens, praise God. Otherwise, would struggle much more to grasp some of these issues. I believe God gave us His Word so that we could understand and faithfully follow Him and His Son - not be constantly fearful. Thank you for bring clarity.
Picking and choosing what one wants to believe can be very confusing - so just read the bible as a whole and see how Exodus 33:19 applies, or Ezekiel 37 or Deuteronomy 7:6-7 or Romans 9 or Ephesians 2 or even 1 Corinthians 2:18-29...and there are so many, many more books, chapters and verses which makes it absolutely clear - GOD CHOOSES.
In John 6:44, the audience is not the Pharisees, but the same people that Jesus just fed the day before. They are not rejecting Christ.
If the Pharisees have not (truly) believed God, why would you think they have taught the people (rightly) about God?
They were the "church" of that time and place, so of course their failure to teach and preach the God of the Prophets would result in many never having learned of that God, don't you think?
Why avoid the obvious and turn to the "mysterious?
@@johnknight3529 Not sure what your point is. The church and Kingdom of Christ wasn't set up until Jesus and John came. The Pharisees, as long as they continued to reject Christ were never citizens of Christ's Kingdom or church. It wasn't "set up" prior to John according to Daniel 2:44 "And in the days of these kings (the 4th beast, the Roman Caesars) SHALL the God of heaven SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Additional proof is here where Christ speaks to the Pharisees:
Matthew 21:25, 31-32 (KJV) The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?.....
.....Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the PUBLICANS AND THE HARLOTS GO INTO the kingdom of God BEFORE YOU.
For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
This Kingdom is entered through water baptism and receiving the Spirit. John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN OF WATER and of the Spirit, HE CANNOT ENTER into the kingdom of God."
Regarding John 6:44, go to a previous post of mine on this comment section of this video to find a link to the best explanation of this verse that you will find. Flowers has missed it.
Yes many rejected him. John 6:66 (ESV) After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.
@@TheOrthodoxLandmarker-jy2zs - "Not sure what your point is."
Well, that's not surprising, now that I see you can't understand why I would refer to the Pharisees as the "church" of that time and place (small c and in quotes).
(My bad, please go on with your life as if I never said a word to you)
@@EdThePastor Yes, but Jesus' audience wasn't a hostile one like the Pharisees in Ch. 5. Check out the link to a video on this comment section under my handle. It is amazing exegesis and the best explanation of Jn. 6:44 I've found.
Flowers: "All that the Father wants to come to me (Jesus) and give to me while I'm here on Earth . . . and to be saved, he's going to give those people who genuinely believe and are following me (Jesus) for the right reasons. He's not going to give you to me because you're not truly believing in me. Your motives are wrong. What is the reason he's not granting them to come to Jesus? Because he knows the motivation of their heart is not true. They have not listened and learned from the Father. That's your fault. It is not some default condition you were just born into by divine decree. Jesus draws all people to himself through that means of Revelation (the Gospel)."
Boil this down to Flowers's basic doctrine: People believe if they decide to based on evidence provided: The Old Testament prophets and writings or the New Testament gospel message. In either case, those genuinely believing and following Jesus have the right motivation and are thus drawn to Jesus. Those following Jesus for the wrong reasons, out of a selfish heart, are not drawn. Whether drawn and saved or not drawn and saved is solely based on whether that person listens to the divine message and learns from it. Thus, everyone is born a free moral agent able to believe or reject Jesus based on their power to listen and learn.
Simply put: Flower's doctrine is one of individual works. A person hears and believes because (being neutral) they decide to do so. If they believe they are drawn. In this context, the Father draws a person when they listen and learn. If a person hears, receives, and learns from the message, they will come, or else they won't.
John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day."
John 6:65 He said, "For this cause have I said to you that no one can come to Me unless it is given to him by My Father."
The natural contextual reading of John 6 does not support Flower's contention. Many of the Jews did not believe in Jesus. But those who do are "those who the Father gives Me" and these "will come to Me" (vs. 37). Jesus does the will of His Father, and the Father's will is "that of all He has given to Me I should lose nothing" (vs 39a). The Father first must give. Those given to Jesus, He will "raise him up at the last day" (vs 39b). None of those given to Jesus by the Father will be lost, for that is the Father's will. The crux of salvation in John 6 is located in the Father's giving to that one the right to be drawn to Christ.
The question is who did the Father choose to give to the Son? If the Father gave everyone, then all would be saved and Jesus would raise everyone on the last day. Clearly not the case. God chose those who believed "from the beginning for salvation" to be set apart (sanctified) by the Spirit for "belief in the truth" and these God "called" by means of the "Good News" (2Thes 2:13). God does the choosing from the get-go deciding who will be saved. The Spirit of God takes those chosen and sets them apart as vessels of mercy (sanctified) and they believe. Because they are enabled by God as a new creation, they can believe. Without the new creation, no one can believe. Their newly resurrected spirit can spiritually hear the Good News, receive it, and obtain the glory of Jesus Christ. This is all the work of the Triune God. None of it hangs or depends on the will of mankind. God's chosen are the object of God's eternal love. These same ones Christ died to redeem. These ones the Holy Spirit makes a new spiritual creation. These will believe because their spirit has fellowship with God's Spirit, they are drawn to Christ (they hear and obey their Master's voice). These ones will be raised up on that last day.
Those who are "vessels of wrath made for destruction" (Rom 9:22) continue to heed their sinful pride. Flowers likes saying God made them unable to believe and then casts them into hell for not believing. Rather, "God made man upright; but they search for many schemes" (Ecc 7:29). The natural man is "dead in transgressions and sins" (Eph 2:1) and "by nature, children of wrath" (Eph 2:3) who "walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air" (Eph 2:2). They continue to "walk in the futility of their mind being darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardening of their hearts" (Eph 4:18).
Those who believe do so by being "renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new man, who in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of truth" (Eph 4:24). Those in the flesh profit nothing, "But you did not learn Christ that way if indeed you heard Him and were taught in Him" (Eph 4:21). No, those in the flesh are children of wrath and cannot receive the truth. Those in the Spirit learn Christ and hear Him and are taught in Him. Possessing the Spirit of Christ is God's work in regeneration. It is the end result of the Father's choosing a people for Himself.
Flowers does not know the dissimilarity between "can't" and "won't." The natural man in the flesh won't repent and believe. It is not that they can't. It is because they won't obey that God holds them accountable. Flowers pretends God is asking mankind to flap their arms and fly and then sends them to hell for not flying. Rather, God is asking them to obey His just commands and they will not do it. Not one dead in sins and walking according to the spirit of Satan will choose to do so. They could, but they never will. That choice is theirs alone. But it isn't because they can't, they won't. Why? Because they love sin and hate God. Thus, they are held accountable for their choice. Every idle thought, word, and deed will come into judgment. God is gracious to take the "won't obey" and heal their deadness so they "will obey." That's God's choice in election. Ask yourself now when you read about God's sovereignty and man's helpless inability, does that set your teeth on edge? Are you enraged at not having any part in salvation? Does it hurt your pride? Don't be shocked. That is the rebel will exerting its "I won't believe" fallen nature that hates God. Go examine yourself and ask yourself why you won't believe God's word. Is it because you "can't" or because you "won't" submit to God's authority?
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 "But we are bound to always give thanks to God for you, brothers loved by the Lord because God chose you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth; to which he called you through our Good News, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Those drawn by the Father are limited by God's choice. It is limited to those "God chose from the beginning for salvation" is it not (read 2 Thess 2:13 again)? Ephesians makes it plain that those being saved are blessed by the Father, by being chosen to be made blameless and holy. The Father "chose us in Him before the foundation of the world" (vs. 4). The Father chose those He intended to save and those are the ones who believe "in Him" and are given to Christ for redemption. All this was decided in eternity past before the world began. The key here is that it is the Father's choice, not ours. We don't determine who will believe, God does. The Son died to redeem "all that He has given to Me" and none of these will be lost Why? Because "that is the Father's will" (John 6:39).
Eph 1:3-4 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ; even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and without blemish before him in love"
John 6 says no one comes to the Son unless the Father has granted them to be drawn. Is it because they "listened and learned" and decided to believe and then God was able to draw them?? No, it's not. The Scripture says plainly that the Father gave to the Son those who the Father chose. As Jesus has said, "You didn't choose Me but I chose you" (vs 16). This means that the Father's choosing in the eternal past was an appointment for salvation. Those so appointed will one day bear spiritual fruit that comes with a resurrected spirit. We know the Father made that appointment "before the foundation of the world" (Eph 1:4). There is an order to salvation. The love of God was demonstrated in His choosing and by the Son in becoming the "atoning sacrifice for our sins." We didn't choose to believe and then the Father drew us. We were appointed and chosen by God to bear fruit and being God's children we will remain in Christ "for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ (2Thes 2:14). That is the gospel message.
John 15:16 "You didn't choose Me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain; that whatever you will ask of the Father in My name, He may give it to you."
1Jn 4:10 "In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins."
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So why did the Jews not believe? Was it as Flowers thinks because they being morally neutral decided to be rebels and refused to listen and learn from the Father? No! They can't receive the truth because they have a spirit in bondage to the devil and their will is to do the work of Satan. They love lies and hate the truth just as Satan does, so they are in league with him. In fact, "if any man doesn't; have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His" (Rom 8:9). There was nothing unique about the unbelieving Jewish leaders, "the mind of the flesh is death" (Rom 8:6a) and hostile toward God. If they were granted to believe then they would have the Spirit of God indwelling them for "the mind of the Spirit is life and peace" (Rom 8:6b).
John 8:43-44 "Why don't you understand My speech? Because you can't hear My word. You are of your father, the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and doesn't stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks on his own; for he is a liar, and its father."
Rom 8:6-8 "For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace; because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be. Those who are in the flesh can't please God."
The distinction between those who "listen and learn from the Father" is not based on a personal decision of the will as Flowers contends. It is because they are "not of God" and possess only the "mind of the flesh" which is hostile toward God and "not subject to God's laws" meaning not able to spiritually understand, hear, or receive the truth and believe. Flowers contends that some people just don't believe because they just don't want to. God says they can't hear because they are spiritually obedient to the devil and do his desires. They love evil and darkness and they hate God and His salvation. The truth they will not receive, but "If another comes in his own name, you will receive him" (Joh 5:43), meaning, if a person preaches a man-centered message as Flowers does, then those "not of God" will receive him. But God's message is alien to them, they cannot receive it, and though they cannot gainsay the Scriptures (which cannot be broken) they will ridicule and mock (as Flowers repeatedly does concerning God's sovereignty).
John 8:47 "He who is of God hears the words of God. For this cause, you don't hear, because you are not of God."
John 3:19-20 "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the light and doesn't come to the light, lest his works would be exposed."
Those who hear the gospel message and receive it, and believe, are given the right to become God's children. Flowers would say they receive Jesus based on their free will decision. God says otherwise. The right to become God's children requires a spiritual birth or to be born from above. What determines then who gets to "receive Him?" Being made God's children and His heirs is not by bloodline. It's not by the human desire of the flesh. It's not by the fallen spiritual will of man either. Then how? "But of God." (John 1:13). You must be born anew to be made God's children, which is the power of God. So, it is the new creation per "If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation" (2Co 5:17) that is granted the right to receive Him. Did these receive the message because of their fallen fleshy desires or out of a dead spirit that hates God and is bound to the devil? No way! They received God as a new creation in the spirit, which is by God's Spirit in regeneration, "For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works which God prepared before that we would walk in them" (Eph 2:10). Receiving the gospel message is the result of the new birth and it all is the result of God's handiwork in which God prepared before the world was that it should be so.
John 1:12-13 "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become God's children, to those who believe in His name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
John 3:5-7 "Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God! That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Don't marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born anew.'"
Those who come to the Father through the Son do so because it has been granted by the Father that they are made a new creation, born from above, born anew, regenerated to life by the will of God, as determined beforehand, being chosen and appointed for salvation by the Father from the foundation of the world, and given to the Son for redemption. Then at the appointed time they receive the gospel message, being enabled with a living spirit, called out of the world and set apart for God's service (sanctified) doing good works that God prepared beforehand they should do, and on that day obtaining the glory of Christ being raised up on the last day.
That's the gospel message, "whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life" (Joh 3:15). Just be aware that deceivers have gone out into the world teaching another gospel. They say, "Look, here is the Christ or over there is the Christ" (Mat 24:23) "Don't believe it!" Jesus has warned those who profess to believe that "there will arise false christs and false prophets" that seek to "lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones" (Mat 24:24). Those chosen by the Father will not be deceived for they are children of God. Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are the children of the devil and are deceived and will follow a different Christ holding a different gospel and believe the false prophet declaring as truth what God has not said.
Remember, if you believe the Bible and have been granted by God the spiritual discernment to follow the Master's voice, you are blessed with God's Spirit of Truth. As with Simon Peter, those who know and obey the true Christ do so by the Father's power, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven." (Mat 16:17). Those who say, "by my will, I determined to believe" are deceived and at enmity with God. So be careful to avoid those who corrupt the word of God, for "blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book" (Rev 22:7).
Down from heaven to me means Jesus is the human agent of God. The same reason you reject Calvinism is the same reason I reject the Trinity. Mark 12, Deut 6:5 and many more says there is only ONE God. There have been many men who have been called gods (Psalm 82, 45 for example) and also angels have been called god as AGENTS of the one true God. Jesus died and would have stayed dead if God did not raise him up. Now Jesus has been exalted at the right had of the Father and will come back to earth to rule and reign on the thrown of David. You have done away with Calvinism and now take the next step and do away with the Trinity of the Catholic church and church fathers. the creeds are rooted in Platonism and goes against the plain meaning of scripture.
So, since man has the ability to choose to believe does he also have the ability to reject salvation once he has accepted it? Once the man has come to Jesus and received eternal life is that man free to reject it because he is not satisfied with the salvation given to him?
Good question... depends who you ask. Free Gracers believe you can do whatever you want and still you won't lose your salvation. Arminians believe you can do whatever you want but that involves forfeiting your salvation.
Phil 1:6:
⁶ Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
2Ths 1:11:
¹¹ Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
i thought of another thing about this Calvinism. why would God share His glory with John Calvin? the guy was a homicidal maniac. It seems to me that calvanists are calvanists first and christians second. That doesn't work.
As was Paul he was worse. as is every believer if you have had hate ever in your heart so not a good point.
@jaysoncrotts2743 grow up
@jaysoncrotts2743 having hate in my heart is different than burning somebody at the stake. that takes a whole other realm level of perversion
He doesn’t use enough scripture and if god has hidden something from there eyes isn’t that the same a hardening there hearts and not choosing them
This is too simple and plain for Calvinists to understand.
John 6:37,39,44,63,65:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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³⁹ And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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⁶³ It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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⁶⁵ And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
@FollowerOfTheLight2782 yep. I used to be a calvinist and I know where you're coming from. And for the last 20 plus years I've been a Bible believing christian, that is, someone who believes the bbiblical narrative and what the Bible actually teaches. All that is stated in those verses is true and it really needs to be understood in context. No problem with the truth of those verses, it is the pagan, platonistic, gnostic, cultic meaning that you put on them that makes them an error in your doctrines of demons understanding. I bet you also believe that everybody is Immortal inherently, or has an immortal soul, correct? More greek philosophy and thought that you need to repent of. You've got bigger fish to fry sir. And if you love the truth you love the rebuke.
Very good..thank you. The Is what I believe as well. Jesus first came to the Jews,but they reject him like their forefathers rejected God. For they would know Jesus.
The reason the Jew's rejected their Messiah was because of judicial blindness sent from God, Jn 12:39-43, ""He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their hearts; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." This was not done as a punishment for their rebellion alone but in the sovereign decree of God it was determined that Israel as a nation would be set aside in order to open the door for the gentiles to come into loving relationship with God through Jesus Christ. As Paul says Rom. 11:28 "As concerning the Gospel they are enemies for your sakes (i.e. Gentiles), but as touching the election, they are beloved for the Fathers sake." This was no last minute contingency plan but was always part of God's immutable counsel that Paul calls a "mystery" that, "was not made known unto the sons of men as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the Gospel."
12:20 time zone, he knows the motivation of their heart correct he can see the posture of their heart and being the Lord of glory he knows their Father is the devil, as we were once children of the devil. Because we are the gentiles and I bring this up because the only ones that really remained in him that is the remnant was a select few, and we were grafted in last time I checked branches can't crawl up and graft themselves into a vine. Grafting is a process done by a vine dresser and Jesus is the vine, The father is the vine dresser. Look if they are not cultivated by the Father they will not produce lasting fruit also if they are not grafted in by him they will not stand for they have no root. The peculiar way in which Jesus taught in parables and he teaches his people to do the same thing is showing that there is a hard heart he is dealing with.
Yeah you just read what it says and believe it! As also verse 65 reaffirms!
draw - helko - means to drag
mr flowers said this word means enable or grant.
mr flowers interpretation is false
Jesus died for everyone, it is either for damnation or everlasting life. It was sufficient, and everyone will be accountable to it. That is a real generalization of what I believe the Bible has taught me this. Calvanism is the wrong Jesus.
Who blinded their eyes?
John Calvin
If someone professes with their mouth and believes in their heart that Jesus is Lord and God raised him from the dead they will be saved. Does it matter that much if they got there by their own freewill or not? They are a professing believer. I am not a Calvinist per se but I think the Bible speaks of election but this debate is silly because I am pretty sure a true believer that interprets it differently still won’t say they saved themself, they know that God saved them. Right? We need to do a better job directing professing, heart believing Christians to bearing good fruit, loving one another not building up ammunition and courage to destroy one another.
Yes, but many Calvinists teach that you cannot call upon God to be saved. Watch Paul Washer at all? He preaches against "calling upon Jesus" all the time. They teach that you have to be magically zapped by God to know that you are one of the elect, then you have to endure to the end to make sure, and even then you might be a fake pre-ordained by God with a false salvation.
Many born-again believers become Calvinists after they are saved, not before. The ones that are born into the Calvinistic system (Presbyterians mostly) are thoroughly confused their whole life and may not be born-again.
@@John3.36 what do you believe it takes to be saved?
@@cutoats
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
@@cutoats Calling on the Lord to be saved as nothing to do with a lost person being eternally saved from the lake of fire. Ever single usage of " calling on the Lord " has to do with saved people and the church. Please answer this .... how can a person who does not even believe in Jesus call upon Him ? How can they call on whom they have not believed in. If you want to be saved from the lake of fire and never perish then believe in Jesus for everlasting life !
@@grizz4489 I guess I am having a hard time tracking, because I can’t tell if we are disagreeing or agreeing on something that I kind of don’t really know if I knew was an issue…but it seems like we agree
Well done LF!!!
Salvation is 100 percent from God. . We're dead until he regenerates. " No one can boast" at all. It's all God's glory. Stop trying to get some credit.
Exactly how God made us. He draws us to Him, but we have the free will to either accept Him or reject Him.
Those that are not drawn, have already hardened their hearts. Thevsins of tge fathers...
ln another note... i know a young lady who would not be friends with a calvinist because she was taught that that would be "unequally yoked" . good grief. see where this leads